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Madvillainy 2

Madvillainy 2 is the anticipated second studio album by Madvillain, the American hip hop duo formed by rapper MF DOOM and producer Madlib, serving as a sequel to their landmark 2004 debut Madvillainy.^[1] Recording commenced shortly after the original album's release, with MF DOOM periodically sending vocal contributions—approximately a few tracks per year—over nearly two decades, resulting in around 10 incomplete demos by the time of his death in October 2020.^[1] As of November 2025, the project remains unfinished, with Madlib intending to revise beats and finalize the structure, though its release has been indefinitely delayed following the destruction of his Los Angeles-area home in the January 2025 wildfires, which claimed decades of unreleased music and equipment, and an escalating legal dispute with his former manager Eothen "Egon" Alapatt.^[1]^[2]^[3] The album's development reflects the duo's unconventional creative process, characterized by Madlib's sample-heavy, jazz-infused production and DOOM's abstract, villainous lyricism, elements that defined Madvillainy as a cult classic in underground hip hop.^[4] Some tracks, such as "Monkey Suit" (released in 2006) and "Savior Beans" (leaked around 2010), have surfaced independently, hinting at the project's potential sound, but Madlib has emphasized that the full album requires significant rework to avoid reusing beats from prior works.^[1] At the time of DOOM's passing, Stones Throw Records co-founder Peanut Butter Wolf described the material as about 85% complete, underscoring the posthumous nature of any eventual release.^[1] Recent setbacks have compounded delays: the wildfires not only destroyed physical archives but also disrupted Madlib's workflow, prompting a public fundraiser for rebuilding efforts.^[2]^[5] Simultaneously, Madlib's October 2024 lawsuit against Alapatt accuses the ex-manager of financial self-dealing, including mishandling earnings from DOOM-related projects, while Alapatt's May 2025 countersuit alleges breach of contract and disputes over unreleased material; this was followed by Alapatt's November 2025 federal lawsuit over rights to their joint label's recording catalog, potentially impacting Madvillainy 2 alongside other collaborations like a planned Mac Miller album.^[6]^[3]^[7] Despite these challenges, Madlib reaffirmed in 2023 his commitment to completing the album, stating, "I’m gonna finish it," fueling fan anticipation for what could be a poignant capstone to the Madvillain legacy.^[1]

Background and Development

Madvillain's Origins and Debut Album

Madvillain was formed as a hip-hop duo in 2002 through a collaboration between rapper MF DOOM, born Daniel Dumile, and producer Madlib, born Otis Jackson Jr., under the auspices of Stones Throw Records. The partnership was facilitated by label co-founder Egon Alapatt, who connected the artists after sending Madlib's beats to DOOM in Georgia; their initial sessions took place at Stones Throw's Los Angeles house, where they quickly produced over 100 beats in a spontaneous, low-key environment marked by minimal conversation and creative synergy.^[8] This formation in 2002–2003 laid the groundwork for their joint project, with the duo signing a contract on a paper plate that included a $1,500 advance and a 50/50 profit split, featuring an option for additional albums.^[8] Their debut album, Madvillainy, was released on March 23, 2004, by Stones Throw Records and consists of 22 tracks spanning 46 minutes, characterized by short, vignette-like songs without traditional hooks or choruses. The album exemplifies underground hip-hop through Madlib's production, which draws on obscure samples from jazz, soul, and international sources like Indian film music, layered with low-key bass lines and lo-fi aesthetics to create a psychedelic, sample-heavy soundscape.^[9]^[10] Complementing this are DOOM's lyrics, delivered in a slower, scratchier tone under his signature metal mask persona as a comic-book villain, weaving abstract narratives on identity, villainy, and everyday absurdity with intricate wordplay and alliteration.^[9]^[11] Madvillainy garnered widespread critical acclaim upon release, earning a 9.4 rating from Pitchfork as "Best New Music" for its innovative blend of avant-garde and classic rap elements, and it was praised in outlets like The New Yorker for elevating underground hip-hop. The album's influence extends to alternative rap, inspiring artists such as Joey Badass, Danny Brown, and Earl Sweatshirt with its boundary-pushing production and lyrical density, cementing its status as a landmark in the genre.^[9]^[8]^[10] Commercially, it achieved moderate success for an independent release, selling approximately 150,000 copies and becoming Stones Throw's best-selling rap album, which provided crucial financial stability for the label.^[8] The contract's provision for follow-up albums positioned Madvillainy as the foundation for a planned sequel.^[8]

Announcement and Initial Planning

Following the critical acclaim and commercial success of their 2004 debut album Madvillainy, MF DOOM and Madlib began initial planning for a sequel to expand the Madvillain project. Madlib later confirmed that the duo started creating tracks for the follow-up shortly after the original's release, laying the groundwork for a continuation of their collaborative concept.^[12] The original Madvillainy served as the foundation for the sequel's planned style, with intentions to evolve its lo-fi, sample-heavy aesthetic through more experimental beats crafted by Madlib. Public announcements of the sequel's intent emerged in the mid-2000s, as Madlib discussed the project's potential in interviews, expressing a vision for 20–25 tracks that would push the boundaries of their signature sound.^[4]

Production Process

Recording Sessions (2004–2009)

Following the release of Madvillainy in March 2004, MF DOOM and Madlib initiated recording sessions for its sequel, building on the rapid, intuitive workflow that defined their debut album's creation in Madlib's Los Angeles studio.^[4] Madlib typically produced beats first using his signature setup of analog gear, including the Akai MPC2000XL and Roland SP-303 sampler, to craft the raw, lo-fi aesthetic central to their sound; DOOM would then lay down vocals during sporadic visits, often dictated by his demanding tour schedule that kept him on the road extensively during this period.^[13]^[14] The sessions spanned multiple locations, with much of the work occurring at Madlib's Bomb Shelter studio in Los Angeles, though DOOM's mobility led to recordings in other spots as he traveled.^[15] By 2009, DOOM had recorded 11 songs, forming the project's core and leaving it approximately 85% complete according to his own estimates shared with Stones Throw Records founder Peanut Butter Wolf.^[16]^[17] Among the key outputs from this phase were demos for 10 to 15 tracks, including the completion of "Papermill," a standout cut recorded around 2008 that Stones Throw later issued as the intended lead single via the Adult Swim Singles Program in 2010.^[18] DOOM's perfectionism posed ongoing challenges, as he frequently revised material and some verses leaked online or appeared on other artists' records, complicating the process.^[15] Further hurdles arose from DOOM's residence in Atlanta since the mid-1990s, which reduced opportunities for in-person collaboration with Madlib based in California and shifted more of the workflow to remote exchanges of beats and recordings.^[19] Despite these obstacles, the period yielded a substantial body of raw material that captured the duo's unpolished chemistry.^[20]

Later Contributions and Challenges

Following the initial recording sessions, progress on Madvillainy 2 stalled significantly after 2009 due to a combination of personal and logistical challenges. MF DOOM, whose real name was Daniel Dumile, faced ongoing health issues, including kidney disease and high blood pressure, which limited his ability to contribute consistently to the project. These health struggles culminated in his death on October 31, 2020, from a rare reaction to blood pressure medication, effectively halting the collaboration as the duo had not finalized the material. Communication between DOOM and Madlib had already become intermittent, exacerbated by Madlib's frequent relocations, including extended stays abroad, which made coordinating on the unfinished tracks increasingly difficult. In the years following DOOM's passing, Madlib has taken on the project solo, committing to complete it as a posthumous release with the blessing of DOOM's estate. In a 2023 interview on Hot 97, Madlib revealed he was actively reworking approximately 10 tracks from their sessions, describing them as incomplete demos that required significant revisions, including replacing beats that had been repurposed for other projects. DOOM's widow, Jasmine Dumile Thompson, who manages the estate, has approved such posthumous efforts, aligning with prior estate-sanctioned releases of DOOM's unreleased material. By early 2025, Madlib reiterated his intent to finish the album, emphasizing a dedication to preserving DOOM's authentic voice and real-life influences in the lyrics and delivery. Technical hurdles have further complicated the process, particularly the raw nature of the existing recordings. Many vocals were captured in single takes without polishing, necessitating cleanup and integration to maintain the project's integrity, as Madlib noted in discussions about the demo-like quality of the material. In 2024 and 2025 interviews, Madlib stressed the importance of honoring DOOM's essence—his intricate wordplay and personal narratives—while addressing these imperfections, though production was disrupted by the January 2025 California wildfires that destroyed Madlib's home and archives, including potential reference materials for the album. Legal matters have added layers of complexity, centered on ownership and sample clearances tied to Stones Throw Records, the label behind the original Madvillainy. As the rights holder for the Madvillain catalog, Stones Throw received explicit permission from DOOM's estate to proceed with releasing the sequel's material. However, ongoing disputes include Madlib's October 2024 lawsuit against former Stones Throw executive Egon Alapatt over withheld funds and financial self-dealing related to DOOM projects; a dispute over possession of DOOM's notebooks was resolved in a March 2025 settlement, with the notebooks returned to the estate. Alapatt filed a countersuit in May 2025 alleging breach of contract and disputes over unreleased material, followed by another lawsuit in November 2025 over rights to the recording catalog, including tracks potentially impacting Madvillainy 2 and other collaborations. These issues, combined with estate-related tensions, continue to impact the timeline for finalizing and distributing Madvillainy 2.^[6]^[3]^[21]^[7]

Musical Style and Themes

Production Techniques and Sound

Madlib's production on Madvillainy 2 continues the duo's signature approach from their 2004 debut, emphasizing spontaneous beat-making with a focus on obscure vinyl samples sourced from jazz, soul, and funk records. These samples are chopped into micro-loops and layered with intricate percussion elements, such as off-kilter snares and hi-hats, to form dense yet organic rhythms that prioritize texture over polish. The lo-fi aesthetic is enhanced by deliberate inclusions of vinyl crackle and tape saturation, evoking the gritty, analog warmth of underground hip-hop's roots while creating an immersive, hazy atmosphere.^[8] Based on known tracks and the duo's collaborative style, the production incorporates experimental elements including sample manipulations and effects that extend the original album's psychedelic rap sound. Madlib employs multi-tracking techniques akin to those in his Quasimoto projects, where pitched-up vocal layers and instrumental overlays add surreal depth to the compositions. Known tracks, such as "Papermill," feature tempos around 97 BPM, contributing to a deliberate, rhythmic pace.^[22]^[8]^[23] Key influences shaping this production include 1970s blaxploitation soundtracks, from which Madlib draws dramatic orchestral stabs and funky basslines for tension and groove, as seen across his broader catalog. Additionally, the innovative soul-sample chopping of underground pioneer J Dilla informs Madlib's layered constructions, emphasizing emotional resonance through fragmented yet cohesive flips. These elements combine to form a sonic extension of the debut's psychedelic rap blueprint, refined through the duo's collaborative intuition. Descriptions of the full album's sound are based on leaked tracks and interviews, as the project remains unfinished as of November 2025.^[24]^[25]^[8]

Lyrics, Narrative, and Influences

MF DOOM's lyrical contributions to Madvillainy 2 maintain his hallmark dense and allusive rhyme schemes, featuring multisyllabic patterns, phonetic precision, and layered double entendres that reward repeated listens. Described as akin to a "complex joke" with multiple interpretive angles, the verses demand technical finesse, prioritizing rhyme quality and tonal interplay over straightforward boasting or disses. This style evolves the villain persona from the original Madvillainy, incorporating cryptic allusions to comic book lore, such as Marvel's Doctor Doom, which informed DOOM's masked identity and narrative framing since his Zev Love X days with KMD.^[26]^[27] The album's narrative draws from interconnected skits and vignettes, echoing the debut's structure with themes of absurdity, as seen in tracks like the "monkey song" inspired by an obscure news story about a primate incident, which DOOM researched extensively for authenticity. These elements underscore DOOM's abstract and playful style, consistent with his broader catalog.^[27]^[28] Influences on the lyrics stem from DOOM's early Zev Love X period, emphasizing mythological and sci-fi motifs like cosmic exile and heroic archetypes, blended with Madlib's conceptual guidance to ensure thematic flow across sessions. Nods to pulp fiction, ancient lore, and futuristic dystopias enrich the wordplay, positioning Madvillainy 2 as an extension of DOOM's experimental approach. Production subtly underscores these narratives through sparse cues, amplifying the lyrical depth without overpowering it. Themes are inferred from known tracks and interviews, given the project's unreleased status.^[28]^[29]

Release and Track Listing

Delays, Status, and Promotion

The development of Madvillainy 2 encountered prolonged delays beginning in the mid-2000s, shortly after the release of the duo's debut album. Initially targeted for 2006 amid high expectations for a follow-up, the project faced repeated setbacks due to scheduling conflicts and perfectionist tendencies from both artists. MF DOOM's death in October 2020 exacerbated the delays, raising questions about posthumous approvals, though Stones Throw founder Peanut Butter Wolf confirmed the label secured permission from DOOM's family to proceed with any existing material.^[15] As of November 2025, Madvillainy 2 remains unreleased, with its status uncertain following a series of recent obstacles. Catastrophic California wildfires in early January 2025 destroyed Madlib's home and studio, resulting in the loss of decades of unreleased recordings that likely included elements of the album.^[2] Compounding this, a May 2025 legal countersuit filed by former Stones Throw manager Egon Alapatt against Madlib, followed by Alapatt's new federal lawsuit in November 2025 over rights to their joint label's catalog (including DOOM-related projects), has contributed to delays affecting upcoming releases, including this one.^[7]^[18] Promotion for Madvillainy 2 has relied on subtle teasers integrated into Madlib's broader output from 2023 to 2025, such as references in his solo interviews and collaborative works that nodded to unfinished Madvillain sessions. Stones Throw Records amplified excitement via social media, particularly with announcements tying the project to archival drops like the January 2025 vinyl edition of Madvillainy Demos. Dedicated fan campaigns, including online petitions and discussions on hip-hop forums, have sustained grassroots hype despite the lack of concrete updates.^[4]^[30] Speculation around release formats centers on vinyl and digital editions as standard options, with unconfirmed rumors of a deluxe box set that could bundle the album with demos, remixes, and memorabilia, echoing the label's 2008 Madvillainy 2: The Box package. No official confirmation has emerged, as promotional focus remains paused amid the delays.^[31]

Known Tracks and Singles

The lead single for Madvillainy 2, titled "Papermill", was released digitally on May 26, 2010, through Stones Throw Records as part of Adult Swim's Singles Program 2.^[32] Clocking in at 1:45, the track features MF DOOM delivering introspective verses about personal restraint and memory—lines like "Be celibate, out of his element / Madvillain never forget like a elephant"—over Madlib's signature soul-sampled beat layered with subtle scratches and atmospheric effects.^[33] In a 2023 interview, Madlib disclosed that approximately 10 tracks had been completed during sessions between 2004 and 2009, describing them as rough demos with DOOM often recording in one take, though he planned to refine and expand the material.^[4] Among the confirmed titles are reworked demos such as "Travis 911", a gritty narrative-driven cut with emergency-themed wordplay, and "FYI" featuring MED, which previews collaborative flows over dusty loops. These form the core of the project. Snippets and previews of several tracks have surfaced via leaks from 2014 to 2024, including a 2015 online leak of "Travis 911" that showcased its raw production and DOOM's cryptic bars. Other leaked previews, such as portions of "Savior Beans" aired on radio, highlight the project's continuity with Madvillainy's abstract hip-hop style. As of November 2025, no official full tracklist has been announced. The structure of Madvillainy 2 is expected to alternate between proper songs and short skits, much like its predecessor, with potential bonus material drawn from extended sessions potentially included in final releases.^[4]

Madvillainy 2: The Madlib Remix

Madvillainy 2: The Madlib Remix is a remix album by the hip hop duo Madvillain, consisting of rapper MF Doom and producer Madlib, which reworks tracks from their 2004 debut Madvillainy. Originally created by Madlib in 2008 for his personal listening, the project features entirely new beats paired with Doom's original vocals from the first album. It was first released on September 15, 2008, through Stones Throw Records as part of the limited-edition Madvillainy 2: The Box set, comprising 25 tracks.^[34]^[35] The album includes remixed versions of key Madvillainy songs, such as "Pearls" (a reworking of "Curls") and "No Brain," alongside new instrumentals like "Light of the Past" and "Boulder Holder." Madlib employed more abstract sampling techniques, drawing from diverse sources to create beats that diverge from the original's lo-fi, soul-infused aesthetic, often resulting in minimalist or experimental arrangements. For instance, "Borrowed Time" transforms the track "Accordion" into a bass-heavy, Dilla-inspired piece with a ghostly choir backdrop. These changes emphasize Madlib's production versatility but sometimes disrupt the cohesive narrative flow of the source material.^[36]^[37] Reception was mixed, with critics praising Madlib's creative beats while noting the remixes' failure to match the original album's perfection. Pitchfork awarded it a 5.9 out of 10, describing it as a "hollow accomplishment" despite high-quality production. User scores on Album of the Year averaged 66 out of 100 based on over 200 ratings, reflecting niche appreciation for its ingenuity amid limited broader appeal. The album had minimal commercial success, initially confined to the box set and small white-label pressings before wider digital availability.^[36]^[38] As a standalone project, Madvillainy 2: The Madlib Remix functioned as a creative diversion for Madlib during the protracted development of the duo's follow-up album, allowing him to revisit and reimagine their breakthrough collaboration. It highlights Madlib's penchant for personal experimentation, originally intended solely for his own enjoyment during travel, such as a flight to Tokyo. Later vinyl reissues, including editions in 2012 and 2021, expanded its accessibility within Madvillain's discography.^[35]^[39]

Madvillainy 2: The Box

Madvillainy 2: The Box is a limited-edition box set released by Stones Throw Records in 2008, compiling various Madvillain-related materials including remixes, demos, and ephemera. Announced on July 23, 2008, the set was produced exclusively based on pre-orders through the label's website and quickly sold out, emphasizing its exclusivity as a collector's item for fans of the MF Doom and Madlib collaboration. The package represents an extension of the original Madvillainy album's legacy by gathering previously unreleased or rare content into a cohesive, high-end format. It was released on September 15, 2008.^[31] The box measures 12 x 13 x 3 inches and includes the Madvillainy “2” The Madlib Remix CD featuring 25 tracks of remixed material, a single-sided 7-inch vinyl of "One Beer (Drunk Version)" from Madlib's original 2004 sessions, a cassette tape of the Madvillainy Demo Tape with 12 early tracks totaling 36 minutes, a T-shirt printed with a Madvillain design reading "Best Rolled L’s," and a comic book that continues the storyline from the "All Caps" music video. These components highlight archival and promotional elements, with the remix album serving as the centerpiece alongside memorabilia. The production was noted for its high costs, positioning it as a premium release rather than a standard album.^[31] Released four years after the debut Madvillainy album, the box set introduced the "Madvillainy 2" branding officially for the first time on non-core material, distinguishing it from the original project while tying into the duo's experimental ethos. It retailed at a premium price point exceeding $100, reflecting its elaborate packaging and limited availability. By 2025, its scarcity has driven resale values well over $500, with verified listings reaching as high as $1,200 on reputable collector sites.^[31]^[40]

"One Beer (Drunk Version)"

"One Beer (Drunk Version)" is an alternate take on the track "One Beer," originally featured on MF DOOM's 2004 album MM..FOOD, reimagined specifically for the Madvillain project but ultimately excluded from Madvillainy due to its unconventional style.^[41] The version clocks in at 1:53 in length and showcases DOOM delivering slurred, experimental vocals that emphasize a hazy, intoxicated delivery, enhancing the song's humorous exploration of alcohol consumption and wordplay.^[42] This ties directly into DOOM's recurring persona of the inebriated villain, with lyrics featuring dense rhymes referencing beverages and celebrity cameos in a comedic, stream-of-consciousness manner.^[41] The track was produced by Madlib, who remixed the instrumental based on J Dilla's beat for Jaylib's "No Games Pt. 3" from Champion Sound, incorporating hazy, lo-fi samples to create a disorienting, "drunk" atmosphere that was deemed too experimental for the main album.^[43] A rough CD of the recording was lost in Madlib's Bomb Shelter studio for years before being recovered and polished for release.^[41] It debuted as a limited-edition, single-sided 7-inch vinyl (STH4029) on September 15, 2008, through Stones Throw Records' Fan Club 45 series (#29), and was later included in the Madvillainy 2: The Box compilation, with a digital MP3 version made available in April 2009.^[42]^[43] Upon release, "One Beer (Drunk Version)" became a fan favorite among hip-hop enthusiasts for its playful humor and raw, off-kilter energy, earning high user ratings such as 91/100 on Album of the Year and consistent praise in retrospective reviews of Madvillain's output.^[44]

Madvillainy Demo Tape

The Madvillainy Demo Tape is a cassette featuring 12 early demo tracks from the recording sessions of the duo's 2004 debut album Madvillainy, totaling 36 minutes. These demos, originating from sessions around 2002–2003, leaked online during the album's development and were referenced by MF DOOM in the track "Rhinestone Cowboy." The tape was officially released for the first time in the 2008 Madvillainy 2: The Box set. In January 2025, the demos were made available on streaming platforms and as a limited vinyl release, increasing their accessibility.^[31]^[45]^[46] The demos showcase preliminary versions of songs that appeared on the final album, along with outtakes, highlighting Madlib's raw beat sketches with soul-sampled loops and dusty drum patterns, paired with DOOM's improvisational, ad-lib-heavy vocals. This unpolished material provides insight into the duo's creative process and synergy during the original project's embryonic stages. Unlike later sequel material, these tracks capture the foundational energy that defined Madvillainy as a cult classic.

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Avalanche [V1]. (Prod. Madlib) ; Papermill SkitRecording ; ⭐ Travis 911. (MDVLNZ 27). 5:50 ; ⭐ In The Club*Low Quality. (feat. Mr. Fantastik). (Posted Up). 3:49 ; ✨ ...
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I think I found Madvillainy 2 and I need some help confirming. - Reddit
Sep 12, 2024 · Madvillainy 2 was said to have been completed in 2009, with singles releasing in 2010 (Papermill) and 2011 (Avalanche), DOOM said it would be out late 2012 in ...DOOM and Madlib Talking about Madvilliany 2 : r/mfdoom - RedditStones Throw Just Got Permission To Release MF DOOM And ...More results from www.reddit.com
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Madlib announces he's going to finish Madvillainy 2 (13:35) - Reddit
Mar 29, 2023 · ... Madlib said 8 tracks in this interview ‍♂️. [deleted]. • 3y ago ... He's been saying this since 2004. Id love to hear it but I'm not ...
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Unreleased Madvillainy Sequel : r/mfdoom - Reddit
Mar 30, 2023 · That's the list of tracks that highly likely were recorded for Madvillainy sequel: PAPERMILL (released on Adult Swim).[Found] Five finished songs from MF DOOM & Madlib's unfinished ...What are everyone's thoughts on Madvillainy 2: The Madlib Remix?More results from www.reddit.comMissing: production techniques psychedelic
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Two New Madvillain Tracks Just Surfaced on the Internet - Complex
Jul 24, 2015 · In 2004, they recorded a record and called themselves Madvillain—Madlib was on the boards and DOOM was on the mic. Their fans have been ...Missing: leak | Show results with:leak